Generative Energy Podcast Danny Roddy
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Generative Energy #104: Remembering Ray Peat Call-In Show with Georgi Dinkov
1. 自我验证（非权威依赖） → 2. 能量优先（代谢健康） → 3. 反教条（质疑西方主流叙事）Edit:2025.05.06
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One, okay, and we're live. Georgie Dinkov, how are you, buddy?
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It just disappeared for a while. I thought like you hang up or the whole system went crashing down. Yes, I had my own cyber attack. Yeah, I'm seeing the news now. They're saying every bank is going to experience one in the next couple of weeks. So we may be getting close to the CBDC. I mean, I thought it would happen in 2021, but I was just a few years off, I guess. Anyways, we're not here to talk about cyber attack. Let's just make sure everybody can hear us. Okay.
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Um, let us know if you guys can hear us and everything is okay. I think it is, but I just want to make sure. Okay. We'll keep going. Um, yeah. So what, I mean, what was this year like for you? I mean, you, like you, you got to a level of popularity. That's just absolutely insane. I mean, you were interviewed by so many, uh, high, high prominent people. And so, I mean, just spreading the message. Absolutely. Incredible.
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I'll say, I mean, as far as spreading the message, I think that's good, but I don't particularly enjoy the popularity because, of course, it's a double-edged sword.
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You know, my email was almost unusable even before that. And now I'm getting basically flooded with emails from everywhere saying, hey, you know, I heard you cure cancer. You know, here's 10 pages of my personal medical history. Why don't you help me out here? So, yeah, I mean, I think it's good that the I guess the bioenergetic principles are becoming more widely known.
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I think one of the first signs that we saw that was that, was that Ben Shapiro? And what was his name? Siko? Like when they were… Yes, it was Ben Shapiro. Yeah. And then, you know, the fact that he's on the P diet, and I think he said it, I think that speaks a lot. A lot of people didn't like that. But to me, you know, when it comes to the, you know,
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To spread the message, I don't think that there's such a thing as bad publicity. I think Ray kind of fell along the same lines. He didn't have a problem going on podcasts that he did not necessarily agree with the people who were hosting them or even the ones he was debating. But as long as that spreads the message, I think it's ultimately a good final effect.
02:20
So who cares if it's Ben Shapiro who ends up making – bringing hell to the masses or not. Maybe it will be the ultimate irony. People that – one of the most disliked people may be capable of doing a lot for humanity just by spreading the message. Was there any – like not that you need Ray to tell you anything, but was there any – like I definitely –
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found myself cleaning my kitchen or something and then being like, oh man, I'd love to ask Ray this question or that question. Oh yeah, all the time, all the time. But I mean, you know, but as soon as I would think that, I will basically be like, okay, I need to, I mean, I need to rely more on myself, even though I will be wrong more often than not. You know, I will check with on Ray's website or even the forum about something that he may have said. But I, you know, now that there's the peat pot, right?
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And I'm trying, I mean, I'm not using it, even though it's a good thing. I think people should use it. I myself, I'm trying to basically kind of like be more on my own.
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And I think it would be best for everybody if they try to be more on their own because I think the knowledge is out there. And for the ones who won't, there is plenty there to basically be able for them to stand on their own feet. Of course, there will always be the ideal situation where you can ask the master for more guidance. In other words, people more experienced than you. But we don't always have that luxury, and that's just how life unfolds.
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Yeah. How was your, your other, like, was the busyness like a hindrance to any, all the stuff that you needed to do or was it just all positive or what?
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Oh, no, no, definitely not all positive. That's why I mean, like, there's a lot of people pushing me like, hey, let's expand the business. You know, you need 10 more partners. We're going to pour millions into your company. And to me, you know, I say, no, of course. Why not? You know, you can make a lot more money. I didn't start this to make money to start. I mean, it should be self-sufficient, right? But I'm not doing this strictly for the money. I have my other job for that.
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And I wanted to remain more like a hobby, more spontaneous, more unstructured, you know, situations where I can basically innovate more because as soon as other people get involved, especially if other people's money get involved,
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You're basically hindered. And there's nothing wrong with it. It's just that it will become a much more business-centric activity, and I don't want that. I've seen actually several other companies that started very kind of like innovative and thinking out of the box, especially in the health business, kind of crash and burn as soon as they started attracting other more powerful and savvy investors. Got it.
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Yeah, so it made me even busier with all the invitations. I had to start declining a lot of them because there's simply no way to do these things. And also, I think that for a lot of people…
05:05
Like I said, the information is already out there. And I would like to continue the podcast with you because I kind of like the – it's like what keeps me sane. But I'm not looking for more popularity. And now that I'm being invited by Dr. Mercola and Dr. Saladino, that's plenty for me. In fact, it's a bit too much.
05:24
So I would like to keep it there. If CNN calls tomorrow, I will probably decline their request for interview. Well, gender of energy four times a year is going to get you very popular. It's funny because every year I think I say I'm going to make a lot more this next year. And if anything, it's been less and less of a buy. Hey, did I send you the link that this is on IMDb? I mean, like who's the other podcasts are not. You're definitely popular. Yeah.
05:50
Are you sure it's not just scraping? You wrote yourself into the history books. How about that? Okay, I think we have a first caller here. We do. Okay, guys, just before I take this first call, please keep it short and just say whatever you want about Ray. And then also, please no health questions. I have a deal with Georgie. We're not going to do health questions, and I'll just have to move along.
06:13
And then also, I didn't even tell you this, Georgie, but I think of this as like a fundraiser for Progesti, Keenogen. And so every… I like that. Yeah, so you can order Progesti from Catherine at keenogen at gmail.com and you can form a relationship with her and she'll send you a PayPal requisition form. You pay it and then she'll ship it out. And if you don't need Progesti, you're swimming in Progesterone already. I think you could just PayPal Keenogen at Gmail as well. That's her PayPal.
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And I would- - Thanks for reminding me. I didn't know if she accepts donations, but you know, that's the PayPal account. I will send her some money after the show. - Yeah. And you could donate on here, but I'd recommend against it because YouTube takes a fat percentage about it. Like, “Oh, I'll send all those to Catherine.”
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But again, she did not ask me to do this. I'm just kind of doing it. But yeah, so happy to take the first call. Whoever just called, you guys can obviously call back. Okay, here we go. Have you been in touch with Catherine or anybody else? I have not. One day. But I have talked to her very close friend, Dodie. Not her close friend, Ray's close friend. Oh, my headphones almost went back. Okay, never mind. Okay, let's talk to this first caller. And guys, the screen is going to be messed up all the time. Hey, caller, you are on there. What's up?
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Wow. Can I just say a little dedication to Ray? Hey, Danny, it's Dodie. It's Dodie. Hey, Dodie, how long did you know Ray for? Oh, for about 20 years.
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The floor is yours, your royalty here. Okay, well, I just wanted to say I know so many people admired Ray so much for all that he did and his knowledge, his vast knowledge. But I'd just like to sort of dedicate my little speech here to the friendship that I had with Ray, that Ray was an underdog.
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unbelievable friend to me and supported me through so much over the last well 20 years the death of my husband the death of my son losing my eyesight he was just amazing and I talked to him every day for years I look forward to three o'clock in the afternoon when I could talk to Ray and he could support me so I just wanted all of you to know what a human being he was and
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that he graced this world with his presence. I just will never forget that. So thank you, Danny. You're going to start the waterworks pretty early here. Yeah, so, yeah, I mean, what was that like just having, I mean, there's so few people I talked to over the years that had such unprecedented access to him. And obviously he was your friend, but it must have just been so incredible to bounce ideas off of him so regularly.
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Well, you know, he helped me with everything, Danny. It wasn't just…
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my own health, of course, and my family, but he helped me with my finances. He helped me with getting a perspective on the world, world history, world politics. And remember, we were in the same generation. We were both born before World War II, and that sort of brought us together. He was like my older brother, and we talked about the past and what the world was like, as you know, a
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very often Ray would refer to many years ago. And it just was really, really special. But then I could always ask him questions if I needed him. But it just…
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I really got to know him and I just know that a lot of people saw him as a scientist. And I also spent a week with him, which, which was really special in New Mexico. And I'll never forget the smile on his face when I got out of the car, um, and the big hug and the, just the patience of the man to sit here, uh,
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I mean, we were with him, a group of us, for about eight hours a day, and he just never got tired. He never lost his patience. And that was the other thing, Danny. He was so patient. No matter what happened in my life, he listened. There was never a criticism from him. So…
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I just can't say enough. I really can't say enough. And I knew that many of you did stay in touch with him and emailed him, but I just feel forever privileged to have had that friendship.
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When did you realize there was something different about him? You know, like again, I like generationally, like I definitely met, never met or talked to anybody even close to him. But was that common for your generation to find somebody of his character or was that even unique for your time?
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Oh, I think it was. I don't quite get the question, Danny, but were you asking when did I realize how special he was? Was that your question? Yeah. Like, was it upon meeting him and just really thoroughly talking to him? Like, like, for example, his validating and not criticizing, like, I guess, was that instantaneous when you were talking to him that you just realized he was not like everybody else?
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Oh, yeah. So what happened was I found him online through the Weston Price Foundation. He had a little debate with somebody there, and I called him, and I knew the minute I talked to him he was the right person to help me.
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And I just had a faith, a trust in him from the very first time I talked to him. His voice, his somehow or other, his knowledge without throwing it in your face, he was always kind. He understood so many things, but he didn't come across as the expert ever.
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So I would say our generation probably was definitely more patient. The world has changed a lot. But I mean, all of you know what kind of a man he is and what he did and how he sacrificed his life to help people. Right.
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But I think our generation probably is a little bit more like that, more patient, more understanding. And also it's always, you know, person to person. It wasn't texting. It wasn't emailing. But, yeah, no, I realized instantly, Danny, my first conversation.
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So many questions for you, but is there any outstanding story about him or anything else that you just want to impress upon the people listening about like who he was or anything like that?
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Well, so many funny things because, you know, we got talking about how he traveled and what he did. And he had, you know, before Catherine, he traveled around with his girlfriends. And so I always get a kick out of that. But I can't think of any special story about him. It was just…
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Well, you know, I will tell you, I called him at midnight after my son, Billy, had had a seizure. And he picked up the phone, and I was practically hysterical. My son had had a stroke and a seizure, and he stayed with me on the phone almost the whole night.
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supporting me and helping me through it. And we did end up calling the ambulance, but he was there for that whole thing for me. And that was just the most amazing thing that I've ever been through, to have somebody like that to support me through probably one of the toughest things I've ever been through. So…
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Remember all that he did for everybody, but remember what a special friend he could be. Yeah, you're going to make me cry, but that incredible thing. I know, I'm about to cry too, Danny. I am.
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Well, maybe I am crying, Danny. Dodie, hey, appreciate you. Thank you for sharing that. And again, I really appreciate you just as a person. And thanks for that. Thank you. I appreciate you too, Danny. Thank you for letting me share my thoughts. Pleasure as always. Bye. Talk to you soon. Bye-bye. Yeah. Dodie, I talked to Rob Turner and Emma Sarakis yesterday.
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And so like a long time ago on like face that fate rate peak kind of like grew out of Facebook. There used to be lots of arguments and things on the, in the health world. Like the rate people used to argue with like Alan air gun and all these, um, not the Ellen air gun is a low carb person, but other low carb people. And I remember, uh,
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I would get in these mega threads with Rob Turner and be arguing with somebody and then Rob would get into some mega thread arguing with somebody and then we'd ask each other for backup. And then Emma Sirakis was doing her. There was just like a few people that were really into Ray, maybe circa, I don't know, 2011 and 12. And then there were a lot of people that had been studying his work but hadn't been like talking about it. They're just individuals studying his work.
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And so I got invited into a, like a closed Facebook group of about 30 people that were just like absolutely loved him. And it was, um, I mean, I didn't understand anything. There was a guy named Cliff who was a surfer, like significantly younger than I was. And I had to ask him what glycolysis was like, literally no clue what it was because I was like, man, I better try to figure out what glycolysis is because yeah, Ray's always talking about it and I don't know what it is. Yeah.
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- That was before podcasting, so I think that's at the time Facebook was probably the primary venue for doing these things more socially. And then podcasting became a thing and I think now it's like podcasting is king, at least for the foreseeable future, so we'll see what happens afterwards.
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Maybe AI will basically take over and destroy the internet as we know it. So now we have to go back to analog communications. Maybe we have to start calling each other. Yeah, I'm really looking forward to that. Guys, the phone, the line is open. So 1-615-307-0754. Happy to take another call if anybody wanted to call. But that's a good one. Go ahead, Georgie.
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No, I was going to say like another indication that he's becoming mainstream. These two that somebody send me a link that I forward to you said some people that were really big on like fasting and intermittent fasting, like announced to their followers that they quit. You know what? Can you save that thought? Let's take, let's take this. I want to, I want to continue on what you're saying. I just don't want to lose this phone call. Okay. Okay. Caller, you are on there. What's up? Hi, Danny. My name is Patty Lermer. Hey, Patty.
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Hi. So I wanted to call in and show my appreciation to,
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to raise work. And I've been working, I've had the privilege of working with Dodie since 2000, or actually for a very long time, but starting with raised work in 2009. And then I also had the privilege of living with Dodie for a little over a year. And I
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was able to listen to her conversations with Ray. And he helped me so much. I was going through a lot of stress in my life, from divorce to losing a child. And then I developed asthma. And he was always…
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willing to answer my questions through email or even by phone. So I just wanted to share my experience and how appreciative I am of his work and for Dodie mentoring me through the hard times. Absolutely incredible. Thanks for that, Patty. Appreciate it. Thank you. And please, everybody, support
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Catherine and donate to Kenogen and Progest E is a lifesaver. So go ahead and make those donations. Preach on. Thank you, Patty. Thank you. Thanks for saying that. Thank you, Danny. Okay. We got another call. Hey, thanks guys. Appreciate it. We have a lot of people listening. Yo-Yo, what's up? You're on there. What's going on?
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Hi, I'm from the San Francisco Bay Area and I want to share a memory that I have of Dr. Pete. I was fortunate enough to be with him for several years, once a week, and it was definitely an honor that I didn't deserve to have. But I want to share…
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probably the most memorable conversation I've ever had with him, which happened like two months before he passed away. I have a heart to want to help families in the autism community as I'm currently doing some work with a foundation locally in the Bay Area.
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And I told Dr. Pete, I said, gosh, it's so sad what's happening to these families because a lot of times they're really needing to focus all of their full effort on their child who's been impacted. And I do think I've heard some real stories about vaccine injuries and how that's led to autism, like parents have shared with me, a night and day difference.
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at a young age. And so I said, Dr. Pete, I said, I wish these families could be helped more nutritionally or with supplements. And I don't have the courage to spread truth in that. And I wish I had the courage to, but I said, can I, you know, um, send them your way and send them your email address. And he graciously said, um, I'm, I'm a bit busy with that, but I think, um, he, he
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He basically said when I told him I didn't have courage, this is what really struck me. He basically said it's not about a question about how much courage you have. And it's not a question about how strong you are. It's really about what needs to get done and what's right. And I was shocked when I heard that because it made me think that's definitely his message.
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his essence and how he's been able to spread so much truth and make such a huge difference. Like he clearly just has a conviction to want to help people, the people that have been suffering from everything that's happened to us, whether, whether it's from the medical industry or, or whatnot. So I was just blown away by that. Thanks for that caller. Is there anything else you wanted to say?
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Yeah, I just want to share that I thought about Dr. Pete. I heard Pastor John MacArthur share this about men and their role in society. And he's a pastor in Southern California that stayed open during the whole time during COVID and was threatened to get arrested. And he said he'll just start a jail ministry if he gets arrested. But he said,
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Men are the protectors and the purifiers of society who reduce evil and produce good. And true manliness is bound up in the word courage. Courage is a virtue that marks a real man, truth, conviction, and courage. And that again, just made me think about Dr. Pete and just everything that he's done and
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Anyway, I want to thank you for having a memorial show for him. And I just think it's beautiful because it's been a devastating loss. And we need to preserve his memory and his true essence and the hero that he was. Well said. Thank you. Thanks for that. Appreciate it.
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Man, these are some good calls. I'm so sorry, George. Continue your thought. Well, I was going to follow up on that call, but there's this famous expression that all that it takes for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. She's right about that. We need more good men like Ray.
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Yeah, man. I'm sure there's a lot of stuff we don't know about. You know, if like the CIA was following him and stuff and the FDA had contacted him, I'm sure he got into some sticky situations. You can assume that they were. Remember, do you know the story about Hemingway? How he basically like, they gaslighted him that he's being paranoid and they say that FBI is following him.
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And then after he died and they basically released these files to result, FBI was following him and was surveilling him all the time because he actually tried to be a Russian agent, I think like in the early 50s. And it was right around the time where McCarthyism was basically at its peak. So Hemingway was heavily surveilled. And in fact, some people think that that paranoia led to him basically ultimately committing suicide. Oh, wow.
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So, you know, if Ray, I would say being a bigger of bigger potential for disruption than Hemingway, especially with his Blake College in Mexico and the views that he was promoting, which are largely, I guess, the intellectual equivalent of LSD.
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You can bet that they had somebody on him. And I think he said in a couple of his articles that the people that he met in Mexico, some of them were like way too – they had a lot of financial resources without being employed. And they were very interested in what he's doing. And ultimately, as we know, Blake College got subverted, which I think was probably a thriller agency job. Hey, are you still there?
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Yeah. Oh, sorry. I thought the whole thing just went down for a second. That was scary. I interrupted you last time, but you were saying something that was important. Oh, yeah. Somebody sent me a link about these people. I don't know them. I actually not very… I don't follow the health community much.
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I'm busy enough with my other things. But apparently two people that are very famous in the fasting world, intermittent fasting and chronic fasting, they basically told their followers that they're done with this because it's just not working for them and they're moving back to a normal diet that's heavier actually on carbs and lower on fat.
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And you respond back saying like, oh, that's huge. Like that one guy, like you said, basically he's really big in that community. I don't know either one of them, but because it's a testament that more and more people are – because there's not much left, right? They've tried like the low-carb, right? They've tried the high-protein. They've tried everything except the high-carb, low-fat, and low-PUFA diet, and I think that that's the only information that we're seeing that people are adopting it. Yeah, something I've been thinking about is how –
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Everybody in the health world, they want to be progressive. They want to move forward. And so if you're in like the low carb or the carnivore space, you are kind of handicapped because you can't really move too forward with that idea because it's so clunky and it's so shallow and like the depth, you know.
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But Ray, as he gets more popular or bioenergics or whatever, like there's so much depth, you know, like you can explain personality and thinking pattern. You can explain absolutely everything. And and so if if if there's a natural tendency in the health world for people to be progressive and to want to explain things, they will naturally understand.
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move towards Ray or bioenergetics or whatever. And so I can, I already see that with Saladino with the guy that I mentioned is Thomas DeLauer. And, and again, I just think it will naturally happen because, because. Well, until the feminist, the feminist movement gets a hold of his book from PMS to menopause, female hormones in context. I had several very high, very angry feminists tell me that this is such an insulting title. Yeah.
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It reduces women to nothing but hormones. And I said, well, I'll give you a copy of the book. Would you read like, hell no, we won't. And they thought like the person who would write it would be like a traditional male chauvinistic pig. I said, no, nothing of the sort. It's the original feminist. Well, you guys are what we call feminazis. But anyway, so…
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We'll see if these ideas get adopted, get wider distribution. Because now I'm getting some pushback, I think you saw that, of that doctor who basically said that, oh, Dr. Pete and these other people, including Georgie and Dr. Mercola, they're talking against estrogen. And here's why estrogen is great. We're moving back to estrogenic HRT. Yeah.
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So, yeah, we'll see. I think we're going to get a pushback on that part at least. But even that isn't terrible, basically, if you look at the evidence. So we'll see how it goes. Yeah, I mean, the guy thought that women were the evolutionary future of the race, you know. But he had told me a long time ago, I think this might have been before. By the way, guys, line is open. Please feel free to call. He had told me that when he was on a tour, like he was on a tour for talking in grocery stores, I think.
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I don't know the context. A tour for talking in grocery stores. Yeah, yeah. That was like something that health people used to do, I guess. Oh, wow. That's awesome. I don't know if anybody could do this in modern days. In Southern California, you could sometimes see, there was like a little section in a mother's market, which is like a hippie grocery store.
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And they'd have people talk in like books, authors and stuff. But anyways, he had told me that some a woman tried to attack him one time. Oh, I. But yeah, understanding that estrogen is like essentially a stress hormone in both men and women. And it's not the hormone of femininity would be pretty important in that situation.
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What that podcast that you talked about, that article is not going to be out for a long time. I think, is there anything you want to say about it? Which one? Remember we, so the Jay and Mike podcast, that is, I have no clue when that's going to come out. Did, is there anything you, are you getting messages about it or anything? No, not yet. I mean, but you know, but I'm getting other messages. Basically like the flow of messages really now is basically, Hey, help me with this problem. And,
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and, uh, I'm trying to figure out a polite way of telling people that like, I simply cannot, unlike Ray, I got other things going on. I'm not saying that he had nothing to do. I'm sure he was very busy, but that was his job. Well, mine is actually something else. So I don't really, I can't really, you know, answer and provide direct personal advice. Can I bounce an idea off of you? If you message people back and tell them you can't answer their email, sometimes that makes people really mad. Like what about just not answering them? Uh,
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You know, I do that, but I've also noticed that if I don't answer it, periodically they'll keep bugging me. So I would rather risk of like basically a person getting mad initially, right? And then hopefully that over time will subside because honestly I've done nothing wrong versus like getting that email from the same person over and over again. And sometimes they'll get really creative. Got it. They'll like create multiple accounts and spam me. They'll call from different numbers. Yeah.
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Not because not responding is the universal sign. I don't have time for your message or I can't. But they also think like, Oh no, he's really busy. Maybe my email got into between 400 others. So he just didn't see it. So let me send it 400 times and then it will really stick out. I kid you not. I've had situations like that. So yeah, I don't think there's any right way of handling this basic. Some, some people will simply get offended and I'm sorry, but, uh,
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I got my own life and other things going on and I do what works for me. Perfect timing. Okay, here's a call. Hey, what's up? You got to turn off that audio. What's going on? Hey, Danny. Hey, Georgie. It's Nate Lawrence. I just wanted to call and say it's just…
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really just so cool seeing where things are going with uh ray's work um it's just it's cool to be able to interact with you guys and stuff like that but um i i really think just like as we're looking back at things like really ray was able to generate just so so much um
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just energy and order in life. You know, essentially I think just structure at a physical and spiritual level. And I think his accessibility and, you know, just willingness to help others and essentially just liberates flow of energy, um, like protect life. Um, essentially I think like, um,
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what he did for the view of energy and consciousness is just, it's something you can't really comprehend. You know, it's just like, how was this one guy able to turn life towards just higher energy, you know, just away from darkness, essentially there is really a divine energy to it. Yeah. I think Ray kind of embodied the youthful state, you know, I think,
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faith and the flow of energy is really what defines Ray. And it's just amazing to see that everything sort of spirals upwards from that understanding and already just seeing where the community is going. It's just beautiful. So I just thank you. I appreciate you guys. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I, Nick Stumphouser had sent me the remembering Ray thing that Adolph Peetler had put on Twitter. And yeah,
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It's just like a funny guy on Twitter. But but I I listened to it and I just couldn't believe how how intelligent everybody was like talking, you know. And so, I mean, if if that group of people, you know, and the other people on Twitter are kind of the future of the repeat stuff, I think I think we have a lot to look forward to.
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Because, I mean, it feels like all this stuff is just getting started. And it was just person after person that was talking that was, I don't know, highly relatable. And I don't know, there's just something about everybody that talked I thought was, I was amazed at how intelligent everybody was. But yeah, thoroughly enjoyed that.
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Yeah. I, again, I just, I appreciate it. Hopefully, you know, we'll be able to interact, uh, Georgie and Danny, um, more in the future. So thank you guys again. Thank you for holding this. Cool brother. Talk to you soon. Yeah. So Nate, uh, part of the new Zoomer repeat squad.
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Yep, young guy. Very nice. Very bright. I forgot to tell you, Ray Pitt is becoming huge in Bulgaria. All of his books have been trusted in Bulgarian, and all of his newsletters have been trusted in Bulgarian, and there is a book about him that was recently written, and I wrote the foreword to it in Bulgarian. Holy shit. So I can send you the links, basically, but there's about 100,000 strong Facebook group about Pete Harris in Bulgaria. 100,000?
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- Oh my God. - And that's a tiny country, right? It's like seven million, so it's not a small number in terms of basically just the percentage of people there. And they're attracting more people. I think there's an offshoot from this group because Bulgaria has a lot of people that have a Greek ethnicity and Turkish and Serbian and Romanian, and now these people that are there, they're actually the ones that are of those ethnicities. They're starting their own groups in the respective countries. So raping is huge in the Balkans.
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So, you know, hopefully we'll, you know, we'll keep spreading the word. That's insane. A hundred thousand people. That's, that's like, that's more than the rate Pete form, isn't it?
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As members, yes. But as visitors, I don't know. I think it's like only the Rapid Forum admin knows the visitor stats, but you can kind of get an estimate. I think the Rapid Forum is pretty popular too. But the Facebook group of 100,000 members, I don't know of any other group beat-focused or bioenergetic-focused that has that many members. Got it. Okay, here. Let's take another call. Okay, caller, you are on the air. What's up?
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Hey, Danny and Georgie, it's Trevi. Hey, Trevi, what's up? Don't make me cry again, Trevi. What are you trying to do here?
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Oh, my gosh. What a show. I wasn't sure I'd be able to call. So beautiful, everything everyone is saying. And Georgie, I wanted to let you know, I told Catherine about your book and told her that you offered to send her a copy and said, but it's in Bulgarian. And…
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She said that's fine. She can use Google Translate. Okay. Okay. Just the coffee is a token of our appreciation. Just so she knows, and I just told Danny, there's a Facebook group of 100,000 members in Bulgaria, and it's a tiny country. So Ray Peet is huge in Bulgaria and the neighboring countries right now.
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Yeah, yeah, well, I did pass that on to her, your affection and wanting to send that to her, and so she's looking forward to it, so please go ahead and do that. We'll do. Yeah, and she's doing good, and…
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I think the thing that comes to mind for me, I was thinking about what to say about Ray, because there's been so many beautiful things said. But my husband Brad and I got to celebrate with Catherine and Ray, Ray's birthday one year. And
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It was so much fun. It was in this cafe, and we brought birthday decorations, and we bought Ray a big wheel of Parmigiano-Reggiano. Yeah.
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Excellent. And it was huge. And it was so funny because I didn't really think about it ahead of time. It was just like, oh, my gosh, you know, we'll take him a big wheel and he'll have plenty of it. And I never will forget the look on his face when I handed it to him. He was like, oh, wow, this is going to take a while to eat. But.
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But it was just a beautiful, wonderful time together. So I'm really grateful that we get to have that time together and just all the conversations and, you know, just getting to spend time with he and Catherine and their love was just, I've said it so many times, it's just the love between them was so inspiring and wonderful.
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It was a lovely part of my life, and I'm so grateful for all the things that you all continue to do and all the love that is just in the world because of Ray.
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you know, I'm, uh, go in the repeat forum and someone will say, I need help with this. And all these people help them and they're giving and loving and caring. And that's such a beautiful way to honor Ray. It's like people are continuing that flow of energy. So he will, he will be eternal because of that. So, um,
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Anyway, I'm really, really grateful for this show. Grateful for you, Trev. And I say to everybody, Progest-E is fabulous. Yes, it is fabulous. It is. Yep, I use it every day, and so does my husband, and so does probably every single friend I have now. So it's good stuff. Anything else that you want to say, Trevon?
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No, just that, you know, I really want to reiterate how happy Ray was for the time that he got to spend with the two of you. You know, I remember one conversation in particular, and he said, it's really fun to be with those guys. So he really enjoyed himself when he was with you. He was always…
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happy about it. So, and I think he said once to me something about that he was excited to have the kind of conversation that it was good questions and he really enjoyed that.
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How is Catherine doing? How is she handling everything by herself? She's doing good. She's doing good. She's got lots of things on her plate, as can be imagined. But she's doing good and, you know, continue to hold her…
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And your good thoughts, because she is a beautiful, amazing human being and loving and kind and generous, just like Ray. They were a generous couple. She's doing good. Is everything with the progesterone and ketogen, like, is it overwhelming for her or is it doable? Like, obviously. I don't.
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Yeah, I don't think it's overwhelming. I think it's doable, you know, because she'd been doing it for such a long time. So I think she kind of has her system. But as you know, with anyone with grief, you know, when you're grieving, things are harder. And, you know, it was just, you know, just past last week's year, which is always hard. Yeah.
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But, you know, I think she's doing fine and looking forward to she has some projects and different things she's going to be doing. So, you know, I think she's looking forward to the future. Yeah. I said this on my social media somewhere, but like Ray wasn't the greatest scientist ever lived. He's one of the greatest people to ever live, you know, and I can't imagine losing that person, you know, just absolutely. I mean, yeah, devastating.
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Well, I think we did lose Ray, but I think also Ray is alive in all the love that's out there. You know, his impact is alive. We'll feel him forever. You know, just like you were saying, you
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The consensus reality is catching up now. And you have different people who are saying, hey, what is this? Okay, let me really look at this. So that keeps Ray alive. He's eternal. The mind of Ray is very much alive. I can tell you all the people that are talking about him, his ideas are definitely not going away.
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No, no, no, no, they're not. And, um, you know, love is eternal. And, you know, Ray was incredibly, incredibly loving. I have a friend who says gracious loving is when you love and you give of yourself in that loving. And Ray was a beautiful example of gracious loving and gracious giving as well as Catherine. And, um,
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You know, that's it. It will just multiply. You know, I haven't seen anything out on social media or anything anywhere that has been nothing but love and gratitude and people really being kind to each other. So, you know, I really feel like that's Ray's legacy. You're amazing, Trebi. Thank you so much for calling in.
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All right. Well, lots of love to both you guys and look forward to hearing from you even more in the future. Thanks, Trevi. By the way, I'll try to call you this coming week. That would be wonderful. I would love it. I'm looking forward to it. All right. All right. Take care. Lots of love to both of you. All right. Bye-bye. Bye, Trevi. Man, what is up with these 10 out of 10 calls?
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Hey, I just want to – I was talking to somebody yesterday, and they were saying that Progest C had soy in it. And I'm almost positive – Georgia, you can expand on this. But doesn't vitamin E have soy – it can be extracted from soybeans, but then you can extract it –
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So basically, there may be some residual oils, depending on where you're extracting from, but all of the proteins which are causing the anaphylactic reactions, whether it's soy or gluten, if it's wheat or something in sunflower, if it's sunflower, all that has been removed. And the vendors that are producing the tocopherols, the mixed tocopherols, they're very well aware. In fact, there have been lawsuits, and there's a lot of liability involved with
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producing anaphylactic-inducing products, so they are very careful about it. And I'm not aware of anybody who's had an allergic reaction to Progest-E or many, in general, most of the other mixed tocopherols products on the market. So I don't think there's soy in Progest-E. There may be a residual oil from the soybean oil,
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But, you know, that's a tiny amount because I think the tocopherols that are used for produce here are 95 to 99 percent concentration. So at worst, you're getting basically about, I don't know, one to four percent residual oils that are from in the soybean oil. But that's not the same as having soy in it. Yeah. This stems from a old thread on the Ray Peat Forum. And it was probably the only time I thought Ray was kind of irritated because somebody had forwarded it.
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the thread to him and he basically said it was full of complete nonsense. And so I'm just saying this because these ideas do live on and I just… Literally yesterday somebody was like, doesn't Progesti have soy in it or something? And I think they had gotten that from that thread. But anyways, I mean…
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Like, well, you'll be safer using progesterone compared to any other mixed to coffer or product on the market, because at least the progesterone worst case scenario, if there is any kind of a soy residue, the progesterone will probably block the progesterone will negate the anaphylactic reaction versus if you, if the, if it wasn't there. Yeah. I mean, again, in a product that Ray is part of producing is going to be a good product. So, uh,
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But also in that thread, I think they had said that Ray disowned the product or something, which was completely false. But…
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Anyways. No, he didn't just own the product. In the 90s, from what I understand, he got a letter from the FDA saying, hey, you basically have to stop selling progesterone if you want to keep writing about it. You can't do both. And he said in one of his articles, he asked the FDA to show him the law that basically says that he cannot both sell and write about. They refused, but I think in the interest of avoiding further scrutiny, which I think he already had, knowing that he's been under CIA and FBI surveillance and whatnot, you don't want to
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you know, get another three-letter agency on your case. So I think he basically kind of like stopped being involved in the day-to-day production of the product.
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and kept writing about it, but Catherine kept producing and selling it. So it's still Ray Zivoma, it's just not directly into the sales and distribution. Yeah, when Ray asked about the law, the FDA just sent him a photo of Wilhelm Reich dying in prison. That was probably their response. Or William Koch in Amazonia, hungry and emaciated, right? What happened to him, I don't know.
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No, no, I'm joking. Did they really send him a video? No, I'm joking. Didn't the FDA put Wilhelm Reich in jail and kill him basically? Right, but I was kind of following up on your joke. They may have sent him a photo of William Koch who got exiled. Ah, got it. Into the Amazonian jungle and he spent the rest of his life there. I think he died like in pretty dire straits. Oh, God, I didn't know that. I didn't know that.
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Okay, guys, this show, you know, essentially is for you guys. You know, I just wanted to hear what you thought, you know. You guys hear from Georgie and I pretty often, but welcome to call in. And again, order Progesti by emailing Catherine at Kinogen at gmail.com. Or if you don't need the Progesti, you could just make a donation at Kinogen at gmail.com. And yeah, happy to take more calls. You know what I could talk to you about?
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And we could completely off topic, but glucuronidation, does that happen for all fatty acids? Or I thought that was only DHA and possibly EPA. Did it happen for everything? No.
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actually it can happen for all fatty acids. So the two major phase two detox pathways are glucuronidation, sulfation, or attaching hydroxyl groups. So basically making a molecule more water soluble. I think the hydroxyl groups is basically for steroids, but of course steroids also get glucuronidated and sulfated. It's really unique to each molecule,
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But for the steroids, the major excretion pathways are probably in that order are glucuronidation, sulfation, hydroxylation. While for the fatty acids, I think it's predominantly glucuronidation. I don't think there are any fatty acid sulfates in the bloodstream or the tissues. Because somebody on Twitter had linked a paper talking about glucuronidation of arachidonic acid and maybe, if I remember right, like linoleic acid. I just wasn't aware that that's…
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that that happened. I thought it was always specifically DHA, but I guess not. - Like the omega-3 DHA you mean? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, D-cose hexano. - All PUFs, the predominant way and the safer way of getting rid of them is by liver glucuronidating them.
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and basically maybe oxidizing some of them because the liver has one of the highest concentrations of vitamin E. So it's relatively protected, but depending on how much PUFO you flooded with, it can get easily damaged. And that's actually—NAFLD, NASH, and cirrhosis, and even liver cancer are nothing but basically kind of like a spectrum of diseases that indicate for how long the liver has been under this sort of PUFO. Mm-hmm.
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And taking vitamin E, I'm sure, I think we discussed the study several times already now in humans, actually can stop this process altogether. I'm not saying you should keep eating the PUFA, but the liver is really the site where the PUFA should be safely turned into a more water-soluble molecule through the glucuronidation.
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And then it gets created in the urine. And then the other side of, okay, some of it may get oxidized by the liver. And then the other side where actually they kind of get safely processed is the actual fatty cells. The fatty cells can oxidize a lot of their fat through something called peroxisomes. And basically, but again, that process is only safe if there's a sufficient amount of vitamin E around. Mm-hmm.
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So the fatty acids, ideally you want them to stay in the fatty cells, which is what Ray said, right? Keeping lipolysis low. And if they stay there, then over time they'll get processed by this internal oxidation through the peroxisomes. And if they get released through lipolysis, and there's always some baseline lipolysis going on, then you don't want to overwhelm the liver, and then that
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Whatever little hypothesis is going on, you want majority of this PUFA to go through the liver and get glucuronidated and excreted for the urine. I don't know how I listened and done like 100 podcasts with you and listened to it for 13 years and didn't pick that up. Pretty sad state of affairs. So things like endotoxin and estrogen are inhibiting glucuronidation? So what, those PUFA are going to the liver and damaging the hepatocytes?
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Yeah, and actually I was about to do a post on my blog that the detoxification of endotoxin, the required cofactor for that is calcium. Another reason to eat lots of calcium. There's an enzyme called acyloxyacetylhydroxylase.
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And basically, that's the enzyme that in the liver cuts off some of the fatty acids because endotoxin is a combination of lipids and sugars. And then this enzyme cuts off several of the fatty acids from the long chain fatty acid tail that the lipopolysaccharide has. And that basically renders it mostly inactive. It cannot activate TLR4. It cannot increase inflammation. It cannot increase nitric oxide, serotonin, et cetera. But for that enzyme to work, number one, estrogen suppresses it.
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Number two, you need sufficient calcium.
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So another reason to eat more calcium. Yes, and then estrogen suppresses all of the phase two detox pathways, which is one of the reasons why basically people with high estrogen have trouble processing alcohol. One of the reasons why women get basically, aside from the lower BMI that they generally have compared to males, but they also get drunk more easily. And the reason is that they, on average, they have higher levels of estrogen. And that becomes particularly noticeable with advancing age
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because then even though menopause is supposed to be a condition of estrogen deficiency, it's actually the other way around. It's a condition of estrogen excess, and the intolerance to alcohol increases with age in both men and women.
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And I think we've talked about this in a different show. They actually try to do this with male rats and notice that castrating the male rats basically got them to get drunk on lower alcohol than the females, the non-castrated females. And then when they gave the rats testosterone, their tolerance to alcohol increased, they returned to normal. And then basically when they, you know, they…
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The second group got an aromatase inhibitor or an antigen, non-aromatizable antigen such as dihydrotestosterone, and then the tolerance to alcohol in the rats surpassed that of younger rats.
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So it's really estrogen is suppressing all of these pathways, especially the alcohol dehydrogens and the aldehyde dehydrogens, but really all the phase two detox pathways. Estrogen is one of the greatest suppressors. Serotonin does too. And also the PUFA themselves through their estrogenic effects are actually inhibiting their own detoxification.
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So really a number of different pathways there. And the bad things are known at basically like promoting their own effects and decreasing their own degradation. And recently I discovered this
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I'm shocked that we haven't found it earlier, that cortisone has to promote your own synthesis. And that's something that's a big contention and argument with their head with doctors because they say, hey, if cortisol is the cause of obesity and diabetes, why are we not seeing elevated cortisol in the bloodstream of these people? But then if you look in their tissues, you will see that they have up to
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up to 11 times higher expression of the enzyme 11-BETA-HSD1, which is the rate-limiting enzyme for creating cortisol. So just like estrogen, you can have normal, even low levels of cortisol in the bloodstream because it does have a relatively well-working negative feedback mechanism unless you have Cushing disease, but you can have tremendously high amounts of cortisol
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11 beta HSD1 and does cortisol in tissues. And in fact, basically cortisol was found to promote the expression of 11 beta HSD1, which means that when you, I mean, and the classic example was, for which I already found studies, is that when you're exercising, right, you're losing the weight because of the extra calories you're burning through stress.
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But simultaneously while this is going on, you're turning your peripheral tissues, you're making them ridiculously insulin resistant and basically and hyper glucocorticoid. And the moment you stop your exercise, then no matter what calorie that you eat, even if you go on very low fat diet, chances are you're going to get a tremendous amount of weight. I experienced this myself. It could take years to normalize. And in some cases, at least the animal studies have demonstrated that if the expression is actually of the
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of 11-bet-HSD1 is increased, you may need to take some kind of an anti-cortisol drug, which is progestin, progesterone or one, to normalize things. And I dug further, found out that progesterone does decrease not only the activity of 11-bet-HSD1, but also promotes the activity of 11-bet-HSD2, which detoxes, deactivates cortisol. And finally, progesterone decreases the expression of 11-bet-HSD1 back to normal.
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So, really, truly the anti-stress, anti-cortisol hormone, the active one in the human body is, and the safe one, is progesterone. Second one, just as potent but dangerous, is DHEA. And the reason I'm saying DHEA is because it easily converts to cortisol. And I think pregnenolone also has decent anti-cortisol effects, but much higher doses are required. Yep.
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Yeah, I think there's a drug called Trilostane that inhibits 3-beta-HSD2. And it causes the precursors, pregnenolone, progesterone, and DHD to accumulate. And that's therapeutic, obviously. Yeah, guys, hey, call in the show. I'll probably just chit-chat with George and probably end it. But yeah.
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I was going to mention this year has been kind of like the year of DHEA. Like every year, I think I appreciate some substance more than I did maybe the years prior. Because you acquire new knowledge and then you go back to it and you look at it through new eyes, right? So you have more knowledge how to use it properly. Yeah, exactly. But, but DHEA is funny because almost invariably over the last 10 years, I would say it more erred on the side of negativity. Like it would cause like a,
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like panic or just anxiety or something like that. But again, it might physiology just changes over years, but it's, it has super noticeable, like pro sleep effects, super noticeable pro dream effects. And I've even tried a being the progesterone with DHA and without, and the DHA always makes it significantly better. And yeah,
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And then the calmness in the morning time. So again, maybe this ties in with the hell 2023 dog year that I had with literally dogs. The key is not to take too much as a single dose because the intestinal cells very quickly converted to DHA sulfate, which is a very potent GABA antagonist. And anything GABA antagonist is going to give anxiety. Got it. Okay. Well, we'll probably wrap things up here.
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I don't know. We haven't talked since the Israeli-Palestinian thing. Do you want to talk about that? Really? Yeah. No, actually, before that. When was the last time? When we had the… Oh, no, no. That's what I meant to say. Like, we haven't talked. Oh, okay. It happened before that. Yeah. I mean…
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I don't know. I mean, not much is going on, man. It's just kind of like this insanity in the air. I'm looking at the stock market. Everything's exploding. People are saying this is – I guess we're either looking at hyperinflation or I don't know. But nobody seems to care anymore.
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I think people have finally adopted, at least around me that I'm seeing in the city here, they've adopted nihilism, for lack of a better word. They just don't care. All they want to do is have fun, and then they don't even care about politics. Even the hardcore Democrats that I sometimes argue with – now, that doesn't mean that people – but of course now I'm really going to label it as a far right. I'm not –
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But the Democrats that I argue about politics around here, they just don't want to talk about this anymore. They're like, you know, just leave me alone. I want to go get drunk and do drugs. I don't care about politics. The craziest thing was the DeSantis-Newsom debate.
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Like, they're not frontrunners. Why are they debating? Well, somebody said that it may be like a warm-up in preparation for Yusuf to get introduced and basically get, like, you know, step in if Biden decides generously to not run next year or something like that. Yeah, I mean, it's just…
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Again, I know I'm the boy who cried wolf at this point, but I mean, if there has ever a year for something crazy to happen, it has to be next year. Like there's no, I mean, we just can't have a normal election. It will have to be something crazy. A lot of people saying there will be no election, right? Or, you know, and before that, if the, if actually they start cutting rates again and printing money, well, here's the thing.
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If they cut rates again, that may exacerbate things, but it's not enough. Basically, a lot of companies are under. A lot of banks are under because they're sitting on so-called unrealized losses. They have bonds that have been bought when the interest rates were really low. And basically, now these banks cannot sell those bonds because they're going to get screwed on the pricing. So they actually have assets that have declined in value. So the only way to go forward is through another – yeah. Can you hold that thought? We'll take this call and then finish up. Thank you so much.
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Hey caller, you got to mute your audio. There you go. What's up? How are you? Hi. I, I felt like I should call in, um, uh,
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Not a whole lot of people were, and I wanted to make sure I have a chance to say something to Ray. And if it sounds scripted, it's because I wrote some notes down while listening to y'all talk. I guess just humbly, I'd like to say that after I found out about Ray a couple years ago,
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Some things I'd like to say are that he has made learning fun again for me. And I always feel very curious and open-minded and open-ended when I read his work and I read conversations about his work. Probably most important to me is that he gave me, I guess, the permission to listen to my own wisdom and intuition and not just
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I don't know, like be drunk on the authoritarian spirit of the world and just listen to, you know, the intuition within me. I feel like it opened up a whole new world of connections and friends with people with very different histories and unique perspectives. And…
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to speak to Ray, not as a God, but as a human. He had many beautiful qualities and I don't even know a fraction of the things I could about him, but many times in the past two years has given me a lot of pause to think before I make decisions and also to, like another caller said, to have the courage to speak the truth.
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And if I say any more, I might cry. So I just wanted to share my bit. Man, so well said. I haven't thought about that, but allowing a person to listen to themselves, their intuition, absolutely massive. And I don't know anybody else in the health world or really anybody doing that. So, I mean, I wouldn't have thought about that unless you had said it. But yeah, really, really well said.
01:00:39
Yeah. And to say more to that, just my own personal convictions and principles and beliefs. He's just that like very quiet steadfastness in him. I kind of have taken that on and been able to to stand with similar convictions with, you know, what I believe to be true. So just every day and every year, I'm sure there will be more and more to come.
01:01:09
thank Ray for. Yeah, incredibly well said. Anything else that you wanted to mention? That I love everybody here, you and Georgie, and just the spirit and the connection between everybody is, I wouldn't say I'm a lonely person at all, but I feel very connected when you do these lives. And there's just a hum, like, you know, the hum of everybody, the collective consciousness, it feels good to be part of.
01:01:41
I used to have a, one of my first bosses was a retired special forces soldier and he kept to himself but the little he said was very much like Ray and one day he told me, “Son, don't listen to all these experts around you. They're all trying to sell something or trying to get to control you. At the end of the day, it's all about the little voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear. And when that little voice says that there is a doubt, then there is no doubt.”
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So listen to yourself more and less to the experts. So I agree. I think Ray emphasized this quality in us every time he got a chance to speak. Yes, I totally agree. Thank you, guys. Hey, thank you. Appreciate it. All right. Bye. Bye-bye. There's a Maslow quote, and it's something like when a child is in pain and you say, hello, little Billy, don't feel like that. Be happy.
01:02:36
That's like a form of disrespect to the child or the person. I think it's an abuse because it's a gas form of gaslighting. Number one. And, and it's basically, if you look around us, like the entire culture is set up this way, right? It's basically like they have, didn't he, didn't we had an article about what he said? And I actually seen it several times because I used to work in a,
01:02:56
long time ago, almost 20 years ago, that was basically doing clinical trials and we would go on these rotations in the hospitals. And oncology was the worst, especially the child oncology, because they had these kids that are dying from cancer and then they would bring these clowns, literally and figuratively, and they would do these shows and try to get the kids to laugh. And I always thought, like, what a grotesque situation
01:03:17
scenario and situation like uh these i mean some some of the kids would vomit and the nurses would stream in and give them these bags and we'll say you have this like 20 kids there that dying and vomiting and the clown continues with this presentation and i thought like these people don't need humor or at the very least they're not going to appreciate it now but they kept forcing them and it was considered like one of the one of the you know the biggest achievements this hospital ever did it's just
01:03:41
And forcing people to basically, like, I guess, gaslighting them into telling that, no, you're not dying. That's not how you feel. It's something else. And you're doing fine. Your biomarkers are fine. And, you know, don't believe your lying eyes. But, yeah, so, you know, it's a really, really toxic culture that we're baiting every day.
01:04:01
I don't know if I've mentioned this on here. I've said it plenty of times on calls, but like there were even times that I said something clearly wrong to him, you know, and he just, he didn't even correct me. You know, like he was that validating to where I had something I had in
01:04:16
interpreted something completely incorrect about the world, you know, how the world works. And he never even pointed it out. And then a year later to ask him about it and be like, oh yeah. Like if you didn't ask him a specific question, he wasn't going to interject and tell you you were wrong, you know? - How did you know that it was incorrect? You know, remember he talked about phenomenology and in that field, they basically, they kind of, they basically say, look, you have to give up on the idea of pure objectivity. We're all carrying our biases.
01:04:43
And basically what is correct is largely context dependent. So you may think you were wrong now, but a year from now may turn out to be right. So I think like when, when people are trying to basically evaluate different possibilities, Ray's position was don't force them into a specific pathway and let them find it for themselves. Yeah. I don't think he corrected you because he thought he, like he didn't, he wanted to validate you. I think he, he didn't correct you because first of all, he thought you may have been right, or maybe he didn't think that he was right. Right. And two, um,
01:05:12
What is it called? William Blake said, don't be a negation, right? So when you say like, no, this is definitely wrong, I think you're really stifling up the conversation and kind of giving – like destroying the process of thought and of experience. Yeah, no, I think you're exactly right. I said something akin to like France runs the world. So it was definitely wrong. I would say you're partially right. Yeah.
01:05:34
but uh there are some aspects of france that uh that used to run africa up until very recently i mean they um only recently got started getting kicked out of africa but yeah the french empire definitely lives on at least in the minds of its elite kind of but um yeah you know carrying that ability to validate people you know like um or acknowledging that everybody's on a different path you know especially in the health world but um
01:06:01
Yeah, man. Okay. So a last call for callers here. We've been going for about an hour and I don't want to drag this out any longer than it has to be. I think we've gotten so many good calls. It's absolutely insane. But, um, we were, I don't think we wrapped up the Palestinian Israeli thought.
01:06:19
Well, I think, like I said, we're going to have a hyperinflation or, oh, as I started, so even if the Federal Reserve lowers the interest rates, that's not enough to save all the companies that are under, which means they have to do quantitative easing. They cannot do quantitative easing unless there's another crisis. So we're looking at another crisis one way or another. I don't know what it will be. They're already starting to hype up that new China virus or whatever is going on there.
01:06:43
Could be the Middle East, could be the war in Ukraine. But one way or another, the way the finances is going right now, despite what the stock market is doing, stock market has nothing to do with the economy. Stock market is all about whether the Wall Street believes that the Fed will print. But the Fed cannot print unless there's a crisis. So I think we're going to see another crisis. And they're saying March. They expect March. So something may be happening in March.
01:07:11
Yeah, I have no idea. But I am going to try to build a bunker. So that's my priority right now. Literally. Why do you need a bunker in Mexico? Who's going to come there? I want to build one so I can go down into it if something bad happens. Is it like radiation and stuff? Well, that. But also, I've said this before, but if guys with guns come on this property, I'll be like, oh, fuck, I don't know what to do. Also, I think I'd make it like a little apartment and maybe I'd just live down there.
01:07:39
It's not a very good idea to live underground unless you want to, unless you seal the, unless you seal the entrance and you turn into a naked mole rat. Yeah, exactly. But the, I don't, I would argue it's probably pretty good to do that. Like the, I mean, it would probably be completely EMF proof being under there. Probably. Yeah.
01:07:58
Just take a, I mean, when you do it, please check with a trimeter. Let me know what you find underneath there. - Well, if all goes– - What I used to do and still do to these days basically, when I feel like I've been exposed with too much EMF, and I think I can feel it when it's been too much. Now the new phones are all 5G. There's like 5G towers all over me. You can't really escape it. I go into one of these deep garages that a lot of these buildings here have that are like five, six, seven stories deep.
01:08:25
And when you go all the way down, there's no cell phone coverage. So I turn off my cell phone because when the cell phone doesn't have coverage, the cell phone itself increases its power output. So you go all the way down, you turn off your cell phone, or actually better yet, leave it up because sometimes when you turn it off, it's not off. It's lying to you.
01:08:42
So leave it up somewhere, right? You go down by yourself. And then I've already measured it with a trimeter and basically like there's almost zero EMF at like, you know, five to six, five stores down or more. That's going to be like the new Ray Peet hangout, like deep underground in these parking lots.
01:09:00
Yeah, they're all concrete. So I guess basically they're blocking pretty much everything that can be blocked. And I think the only bad thing is that because there's a car exhaust because it's heavier than air, like you actually tend to go towards the lower levels. But you don't have to be at the lowest level. Like if there's like, I don't know, if there's seven levels, you can be at the sixth or fifth and still there'll be no EMF and the air will be pretty clean. Got it.
01:09:22
Okay, last call for calls, or we'll probably just wrap this up. So, Kinogen Progesti fundraiser for Catherine. And, I mean, you can get the best progesterone, or you could send her a nice donation at kinogen.gmail.com. And I'm sure Ray would appreciate that. You know, if you want to repay him in some way, sending money to Catherine would be good.
01:09:44
Or you could get something out of it by getting a bottle of progesterone. And for guys, you can reach the kind of numb penis effect by taking too much progesterone. And so it is advisable if you notice a benefit from it, like mixing it with DHEA. And that can – and I don't know. It can completely negate it. If the dosage is at least 5 milligrams, it usually completely negates any penis stomach. And in fact, some people send me –
01:10:08
email saying that DHA blocks the penis negating effect of progesterone, but when used with pregnenolone, actually has a penis enhancing effect. And they all go running away and started rubbing stuff down there. But, you know, they said if you combine DHA. So DHA by itself did not have that effect. Pregnenolone by itself did not. But a combination of two increased flaccid length. Got it.
01:10:32
Got it. Good to know. Keep that in mind when you're in your bunker down there. Well, maybe one of the four episodes from next year will be from a bunker. Do you have anything that you want to talk about? Ideal FCC or any other thing that you're doing?
01:10:48
I mean, just, I don't want to say, I mean, this is an episode about a ray. Maybe we can, we can leave it. We just have a deficiency of calls. Okay. We can talk about it next time. Okay. With that, I think we'll anything else about Ray?
01:11:03
I mean, he's very popular, man. I have to show you all the chitchat that's going on in these Bulgarian groups. I mean, you understand some of it because they're mixing Bulgarian with English words, especially some of the terms because the terms are in English, like glycolysis or glycolysis or, I don't know, fatty acid oxidation. There aren't really directly translatable terms in Bulgaria, so they're using the English ones, so…
01:11:26
Yeah, it's very active and very productive group. Crazy. They've translated everything that's publicly available from Bulgaria, I think Bulgarian, Russian, and now there's also translations happening right now into Greek, Romanian, and Turkish. Got it.
01:11:42
Yeah, I mean, I'm not shocked about his popularity. I mean, it's become absolutely insane. Again, I think it's like edgy. It's like it's a cutting edge. And so people are very attracted to it. Exactly. So they have to be progressive and that's the next thing they can jump on. But
01:11:56
That's the frontier like after that. It's like once you get into Ray there is no thing after Ray after it's all you and how much you can push the horizon. Yeah, I Fully agree. Okay, I guess we'll pull the plug. Thank you guys so much We had a lot of people watching Projc email Catherine at Kina Jin at gmail.com or you could PayPal send whatever you wanted at Kina Jin at gmail.com and
01:12:18
And what else is there to say? One of the best, you know? And so fortunate to talk to him so much, you know? Just like Dodie had said in the first call, I mean, just feel like the luckiest guy on the planet to communicate with him. So…
01:12:35
I think somebody had a funny – We should have started doing these podcasts earlier with him. Well, that – I mean that was on me, but I couldn't have – like people had always asked like why don't you get Georgie and Ray? And I was like no, let's keep the Georgie podcast with Georgie and the Ray podcast with Ray. And I felt so strongly about that. Like you couldn't have forced me to do it – not forced, but you couldn't have –
01:12:59
convinced me to do it otherwise. And then just one day I was like, it might be a good idea to get Georgie and Ray on a podcast. And then we did it. The, I think it was gender of energy 19, uh,
01:13:08
- It turned out all right. I'm just saying, like, you know, it's like, it would have been better if we started this. - Oh, of course. - Or at least I think so, it would have been better. - I'm very stubborn. So it's like, you couldn't have, 'cause like, but yeah, I totally agree, but it happened at the time. I mean, it happened around– - Only because we would have had more chance to ask him about like, you know, about things. - Yeah.
01:13:29
I mean, there were episodes where I was like, do you have anything to talk to him about? And I remember both of us being like, we'd asked him every question we possibly could. No, there was one podcast where he said like, hey, I'm going to let you ask him. And then I basically started, I did…
01:13:45
Pure Georgie, which is like I asked every question that had nothing to do with the previous one. And he went along with it. I wanted to ask him afterwards, like, Ray, was this annoying? Do you thought it was psycho? Or like, do you think this is like a sign of like mental disorder or something? But he seemed to be okay with it. So I think we did well. I'm…
01:14:03
I mean, I'm like positive he likes that, like discordant kind of random thoughts. Well, they're not random. I mean, like they were like one did lead to the other because it reminded me of something. They were just not like, what's your quote? They were not, they were coherent, but they were not, what's the other one?
01:14:24
coherence and cohesion. Okay. They were coherent, but they were not cohesive. So yeah. So it's like, it's almost like synchronicity. So I try to do the synchronicity, but in questions, in other words, when I ask a question and if that question reminds me of something else, then I'll ask that afterwards. So it's like, it was definitely triggered by the previous one, not necessarily topically related. Yeah. Like did Atlantis exist? And what do you think about Bitcoin?
01:14:48
exactly got it got it got it yeah exactly that's typical conversation chatter with our podcast um okay with that uh we'll get out of here and we won't wait too long before another one of these but um again i i think we'll probably just do this every year because i i think it would be therapeutic but um thank you to everybody that called in what absolutely fantastic calls you know um
01:15:14
And, and yeah, have a great rest of your week. Thank you, Georgie, for taking time out of your day to do this. And thank you for all the viewers. We have an absolutely incredible audience and excited for the future. Some, sometimes. Okay, everybody. It will be exciting whether we want to be or not. Yeah, yeah, we'll be, we'll be. Yeah, yeah, that's one way to put it. Yeah. Okay, guys. Talk to you soon. Thank you so much. Peace out. Talk to you guys later. Bye bye. Bye Ron. Hey, can you hear me? Can you hear me?
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